We discuss all things bodies, health and our in-between Worlds. The journey we undertake as individuals is linked in how we carve spaces collectively threading the needle to weave our own stories and our land. I’m excited to introduce on the episode today, Noelene Nabulivou, the Executive Director of DIVA for Equality, Convenor, Women Defend Commons Network, Pacific Feminist Activist. Noelene is a feminist community organiser, analyst, educator and activist working for socio-economic, ecological and climate justice and universal human rights in urban informal settlements, rural and maritime Fiji, the Pacific and globally for over 35 years. A special thank you to Thousand Currents for support on this episode!
We discuss all things bodies, health and our in-between Worlds. The journey we undertake as individuals is linked in how we carve spaces collectively threading the needle to weave our own stories and our land.
I’m excited to introduce on the episode today, Noelene Nabulivou, the Executive Director of DIVA for Equality, Convenor, Women Defend Commons Network, Pacific Feminist Activist. Noelene is a feminist community organiser, analyst, educator and activist working for socio-economic, ecological and climate justice and universal human rights in urban informal settlements, rural and maritime Fiji, the Pacific and globally for over 35 years. Guided by autonomous feminist movements Noelene works with communities.
“Pacific society will not change until there is a large grassroots movement pushing power structures to change. This is what we are strongly and consistently building and supporting through our collective, then hubs in urban poor, rural and remote communities, and with wider civil society groups.”
A special thank you to Thousand Currents for support on this episode!
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[00:00:00] Don't worry about the form of your organizing. When you start worry about politics and get that right. Think about who you are politically as a group and what your shared sets of beliefs and principles are.
Today we are discussing all things bodies, health, and our in between world. The journey we undertake as individuals is linked in how we cast space Collectively, I'm excited to introduce on this episode today, Noelene Nabulivou. Noelene is a feminist community organizer, analyst, educator and activist working for social, economic, ecological, and climate justice and universal human rights in urban and foreign settlements.
Rural, maritime, Fiji, the Pacific, and globally for over 35 years. By autonomous feminist movements, NOLENE works with communities, governments, development sector, and the UN to advance strategies on [00:01:00] urgent complex questions of human rights and development justice. She's executive director of Diverse Voices and Actions diva for equality and holds many social movement roles in 2020.
Nolene was a recipient of the International Women's Health Coalitions. Joan Be Dunna Award for Advocacy. So welcome Nolene. Thank you so much for joining. Thank you. Lovely to be here. Thanks so much. The role of identity and the approaches towards feminism, L B T Women, gender non-binary expressions are core parts of your social justice ecosystem.
But how does it feel to this day to have created such an incredible impact and how can others land from you and your team? You know, I mean, when you start a thing, you don't know what it is. You know, you just begin, um, and you start where you are and then you keep growing. Um, and before you know it, it's been 11 years.
You know, um, and. And we started, you know, just with a, it actually came from a really strong need of young women, uh, [00:02:00] particularly who were being, um, homophobically, um, targeted in their rugby clubs of all things. Um, and they really wanted some help in actually buying themselves out of a team, getting out of that.
You know, the violent situation and, and then starting another team, um, for themselves by themselves. So it really came about from, from a practical need, but we then started to, you know, move, um, and, and ask ourselves like, what does it, you know, what does it require in order to build our own set of politics as, um, both as queer women, but also then, you know, in a, in a setting where there's a lot of, um, There's a lot of challenges to being who you are in public, um, just as there are for, for L G B T Q I, people all around the world.
But, but in our particular setting, um, you know, there was a, there's a lot of violence often, particularly if you don't have a lot of, um, economic backing. Um, uh, and. One of the things that we found in our, um, in our [00:03:00] research is that it's like it's about 45% of young people before the age of 18 are already street, present or transient, or, um, or are moving between many.
Um, ho houses and homes creating, um, safe spaces for themselves because they just can't find it. So, as you are challenged by all of these things and trying to grow and, and become the person you wanna be, you, you, you are faced with, you know, many, many human rights violations, many sets of stigma and, um, violence against women and girls and violence, um, against lesbians, trans people, gender binary, non-binary people.
So we kind of. You know, stepped into this space, knowing it about our own lives, but then, you know, working out how do you do that in Collectivities? Um, and I think that's the wonderful thing about it, is that we've learned very quickly some key things that I think we can share. You know, your question is about like what you know, For what do we know now?
Um, that we didn't know then? I [00:04:00] think, and, and it's that we can create, you know, um, ecosystems of care and we can find joy and strength from action and influence. And, and one of the ways to do that is obviously, um, engaging. Its, you know, experts from the ground. Um, and so we started off looking at issues of.
Human rights and specifically related to sexual orientation, gender identity and expression and sex characteristics or what people sometimes now call . Um, but really for us, it was a lot more than that because we very quickly said, but we wanna talk about economics because that's also about our lives.
And we wanna talk about ecology, um, because around us we can see all of the changes that are happening. You know, when you're in a climate frontline state, you can see these things, um, and, and you wanna do something about it. So, so what we've built over those 11 years, um, is, uh, there's L G B T Q I [00:05:00] hubs. Um, uh, uh, eight of them that are around Fiji.
We also have around 6,000 women who are part of, um, the Women Defend the Commons Network. And here we are partnering with one of the oldest, um, indigenous, uh, groups. What we, what we call here people. My father is from one of the furthest, um, maritime sets of islands called Kwin. So I'm working with many of.
Um, the women from not just my own family and community, but from many, many other villages, um, in, in that setting, in the, um, uh, in the maritime areas. So those are, they're interested in working on things like, you know, um, food and, and water sovereignty, and they're interested in, in seawall, um, and infrastructural issues.
Um, bridges and. You know, and, and, and dams and all of the things that are making their lives very difficult now because of loss and damage. And then we also have pro poverty, um, [00:06:00] propo policy, um, networks. So they're called poverty to power networks. And these are, you know, we, we really were thinking that.
You know, why is it that we do work on, um, maybe poverty alleviation, but the women who are in these situations aren't even engaged, um, in the, in the articulation of what that looks like. Um, and so we started to kind of mess with that and, and see what does it look like when we do our own analysis? You know, what do women in poverty, um, Want to speak about and then what do they want to move on?
Um, and those have been really kind of key sets of work, but it takes time to build constituency led networks, particularly when women are already dealing, um, and gender non-binary people are already dealing with so much. And then there's a lot of work around biodiversity protection and really looking at, you know, as the planet changes around us and we are doing so much damage, not just to ourselves, but you know, to so many other species like.
200 species a day are [00:07:00] becoming extinct. What are the things that, what are the things that we have to do, um, in order to keep ourselves safe? There's lots more that we do. Um, but that's really just an introduction that tells you why we are so excited and why we are still joyous about the work, even though it's tough.
But we really love, um, doing the work that we do as a collective and as a growing network here and across the Pacific. It's incredible, honestly, just hearing all of the work that you're doing, all the achievements and um, there must be also that kind of, That trust that's been embedded, how have you gone through that process?
Don't worry about the form of your organizing when you start worry about the politics and get that right. You know, like think about who you are politically as a group and what your shared, you know, sets of beliefs and principles are, and the structure and the organizing can come out of that. Um, so that's the first thing.
And then there are the challenges because we are living, you know, in a patriarchal world, you then have to [00:08:00] negotiate with those who think that you need to, you know, be an NGO or you need to be a, you have to look a certain way or your staff have to be, you know, trained or qualified in a certain way. None of our staff, except probably two of us, had any, had finished high school.
Um, and, and so I think that, Is also a challenge, you know, to kind of follow, follow the lead of where we are and say that's enough and we will build from where we are. You know, this idea that personal is political is hard to put into place when people are always, you know, funders and others are telling you how you should do the work.
So we try and do that as much as we can. One of the things you mentioned earlier was about women builders, which I, so I have a background in construction and green building. So to hear this I'm like, Amazing. When you talk about the, the women now having to, I guess, go into these, these paid roles and stuff like that, what are the kind of infrastructures in place currently when it comes to building spaces for themselves and, um, what [00:09:00] support is kind of required in that space?
The, the first thing that we are very kind of realistic about is the fact that, you know, we, we, so I can't speak about your context in, um, In, in the uk. But what I can say is that in ours, um, you know, you first then have to look at land tenure and you have to look at, you know, whether women own land and how they can o own land.
So why we have, you know, a, a, a certain level, uh, Of land that we can say we have because you are itk, right? So because you are indigenous, that as a woman, there are claims that you can make on that. But because we have a hybrid state where we have the claims of traditional law, and then we also have, um, the nation state, you know, and the, the, the issues of capitalism and, and neoliberal approaches to land ownership and to land use.
You have people trying to kind of struggle between that. So we have a lot of kind of informal arrangements in Fiji where a local land owning unit will, [00:10:00] you know, kind of informally lease land. But it often becomes that if a woman, um, say for instance your, uh, a woman whose husband dies, the, the men of the family, the young men of the family, the uncles can, can, can ask you to leave.
Um, because. Um, you know, yes. Because of a patriarchal context where, um, it is the men who are the head of the household. So, so, because we are dealing with those very sensitive issues, you have to think about those when you are also dealing with what are the things that you can put into place to keep the woman safe.
Are there documents that we can, you know, ways that we can deal with the local landowners, which we do, um, in order to make sure that the house remains hers, regardless of, you know, of, of who's living in the home, regardless of how many are men, regardless of, um, o o of her, whether she comes from that area or another part of the country.
So that's just one, you know, one issue that we have to deal with. Then there are other issues which. A lot of the informal [00:11:00] settlement housing is on kind of, you know, as in many countries, it's the land that nobody else really wants to be on. Um, so it might be near, you know, in near a mangrove where it might have a lot of water.
That's part of it. And all of those things matter when you're trying to kind of make sure that a home is ready, cyclone proofed and is, you know, disaster ready. Um, and so the skills that these young women builders were able to kind of. Get from the training that they received at Asia-Pac Pacific Technical College, but also from Habitat for Humanity were really important in terms of them, them being able to go to women later and say, you know, you need to do this to your roof if we're gonna get through the next cyclone season.
Or, you know, if we are, if we're, if you have a woman with disability, Some of them were in houses where it was very hard for them to get to the outdoor toilet, so they were helping to put into place those very practical steps there. There are all kinds of issues, including menstruation, hygiene, [00:12:00] including, you know, all kinds of things that women need to.
Have thought through when we are dealing with issues of poverty and, and shelter and housing. So those are all part of both what the team has been learning, but also what women on the ground have also been now able to then, um, take up as an issue. You know, when we are talking about poverty, What are the links to water and sanitation?
What are the links to infrastructure and, um, women with disabilities, rights of women with disabilities? So all kinds of very practical things come up when you're building a home together or when you're repairing or, um, restoring, um, a a a part of a house. So it's the practicality. No, that's what I was talking about in terms of engaging, yes.
You know, experts from the networks and from the community, the quality of information is so different because you are actually engaged in a, in a shared project together and working out how to do it over time. And I think what you then can provide to government is of a [00:13:00] different quality and they listen to you in a different way because you know it's very hard to refute it when it's the ones who are actually.
Experiencing it and when you can take them and show them, you know, what's happening in the community. So the expertise, you know, our idea of expertise really has to shift within development and to say it's not just about who can write the best report, it's about. Who has it, who the knowledge on the ground, and how do you not just gain that knowledge and work through it, but how do you then make sure that people feel empowered in a real way when they're putting it through the system and trying.
We have a program now called Just Fixes, and that's precisely what we're trying to do, is to say, It's very hard for women to move through a patriarchal system, any women, right? But when you're intersect intersectionally, challenged for many, many reasons, whether it's your age, whether it's your background, your, you know, ability to speak in English, for instance, you know, and, and, and work through those things.
Um, [00:14:00] all of these things matter when you're trying to find a just fix for yourself within, um, the local and the national and the regional and the global. Um, the same things happen when, you know, a colleague of mine has to go to the UN and speak and, and, and knows the issues, but also is being asked to speak in, in a particular way.
So all of those class-based challenges are also, you know, part of our issues that we deal with on a daily basis is how, how do we do this in a way that feels like we can have some real impact, but also that is about. Acknowledging that there are coloniality issues, that there are issues of historical responsibility and other in inequalities that we face throughout the world.
Also, it kind of hinges onto this understanding about the language barriers that kind of come about, and this very hierarchal system actually, which is very much about kind of almost losing that identity, losing the traditional authentic identity that you originally have and [00:15:00] trying to mask it into that this very.
Specific way of, of aligning yourself to to, to specific ways where yeah, there is that kind of erasure, which is disappointing. Can you tell us more about your own career journey into this space? So, so just like many women probably in the economic south is, you know, I've, I've had both the experience of, you know, being born and growing up in my own country, um, and, you know, moving a lot around in the early years.
I, I have a, Background that I don't talk a lot about, but it's, you know, it's kind of, my parents were one of the earliest kind of, um, couples that were, um, you know, an indigenous boy from a very rural background. And then, um, with a young woman who actually, funnily enough came from Australia as a, as a very young missionary, uh, more, I think she would tell you, um, to escape.
You know, another life over there. And she [00:16:00] was quite open about that. Um, but basically, you know, came to Fiji and, and, and they fell for each other and, and they had a great life. But it was a difficult one because there's racism on both sides, you know, and they had to negotiate a lot of, um, the politics of, of.
Gray and color and, uh, class and, and various other things in pre-independence, Fiji. So, so that's, you know, kind of part of my story. Um, and then I, I, um, up until I, I had my first year of, um, university here in Fiji all the way through school. And, um, and then my, my mom wanted to go home for a little while to, you know, to get to know her family.
She hadn't been home for like, 35 years or something. And so we went to Perth in Western Australia and I just hated it. Like I never settled and, you know, I couldn't find my place. I didn't know anything about the systems of Australia. And it was the kind of, you know, young migrant story of, you know, just not finding their place.
Um, and so I spent my entire time trying to get back. To Fiji. My, [00:17:00] you know, part of my family is there still. Um, and, and the rest of my, um, family is here in, in Fiji. So, and then I, you know, I've done all kinds of work to just get myself through, um, you know, through university. I went to four different universities trying to find my place.
And that's also because at about 16 I kind of started to identify, you know, quite strongly as a, as a feminist. And, and to kind of, you know, work out how to move that politics in a very kind of practical way. I took on all kinds of jobs with youth led projects and myself being, you know, kind of going through a lot of those.
Um, You know, problems with alcohol and drugs and other sorts of things. So as I grew, um, I, I kind of turned some of that into early community work. And when I came back to Fiji, I started also doing, um, work from there, um, back in communities. Um, and I worked with an organization that did a lot [00:18:00] of playback theater and a lot of kind of participatory, um, you know, used a lot of participatory methodologies and arts-based approaches and all sorts of things.
Um, restorative justice, a lot of restorative justice practice. And so all of those, um, kind of, you know, sets of work I think were, well why when people finally, you know, kind of came to us and said, can we do something as L G B T Q I? Um, Then, you know, it was easier to say the, yes. I had already had quite a bit of targeting, um, by, um, at the time, a very conservative state at the time when we, I first started in organizing, we were still illegal here.
Um, you know, if you were lesbian or, or bisexual or gay, you, there were people who would march on the streets against you as churches and you know, they were trying at one point, there was a ridiculous kind of notion from. One of the churches here, the biggest church, um, that ironically my father was also a part of, um, that was saying that they should put us on an island and sort of, you know, forget about us.
So th th [00:19:00] those, those extreme dream kind of re religious, um, you know, um, right. Have been part of. Of our story, just as they have in many other parts of the world. But, um, we're in a, we're in a time now where we have actually one of the strongest constitutions in the world. Um, it mentions sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression.
Um, uh, explicitly. It's one of the few in the world that does, I think there's about eight of them. Um, and Fiji is one of those, but there isn't the drawdown, obviously. And, and one of those issues, um, you know, that's the kind of. That's the catch is that we have it and we can call on it because it is, you know, in our constitutional bill of rights, but also there are all the challenges of laws and policies and procedures that are, you know, that are the opposite.
Um, so that set of work to keep, you know, working on the system and, and, and trying to ensure, you know, that there is safety for everyone regardless [00:20:00] of your. Um, gender and sexuality, just as it should be for everyone. Um, Is still an ongoing journey for all of us. We work in, we do, um, SESEC work in the prisons.
We do it with police officers. We, because anywhere that the state is, you know, you, that's where likely you are going to have, um, the clash. Um, you know, with, with particularly young people, um, L G B T Q I people, but also young women and others, um, who, who often find it very, very hard to deal, um, with what can still be a very unfriendly.
You know, state, so. It's part of our job is to kind of work through how do we help to reform, um, parts of the state, but also to do our own social justice work in and above and around the, the nation state as well. So we work both with the. Government. Um, for instance, we're on the technical working group now, which is like unheard of, um, for a [00:21:00] national action plan to prevent violence against women and girls.
It's the first time ever that we've been able to be on a national technical working group and, and that's very important cuz it's showing that we are both interested in the material change, the everyday change, but we are. Definitely interested in the structural shifts. Um, and those take time and, and they take energy and, and you know, you have two steps forward, one step back, you know, so, so that's the other set of work we do is very much policy, influence, and advocacy as well.
Yeah. Incredible, incredible. And just touching based on like how, um, this relates back to like the body and our health. How have you seen, I guess poverty is definitely, um, a very big, um, uh, impact on the ways in which we, we show up for ourselves, for instance. So how have you seen this within your community as well?
So, so let's just take one situation that maybe is one, one example. [00:22:00] Um, we face. Increasing. Ferocity, but also instances of disasters and cyclones. Now, so if you just look at 90 in January, um, this year where I live, there were three cyclones, one direct hit, and two just off our shores. And the, and then you have, for like, out of that four weeks, we would've had three weeks of flooding activity, right?
So you've got a, an ecosystem. Plus, you know, the, the kind of disaster risk and response, um, that that's happening in people's lives. But if you are a young person, for instance, who is, who has left home early because they were either kicked out or the family has disowned them, or you know, or they felt like they couldn't be in that strong, Patriarchal heteronormative space, then they're out in, and we had one, um, informal safe house.
We have a lot of informal safe houses. Cause people, places you can't be out and, and, and out and about if you are, if you are [00:23:00] queer. And then so you, we had one situation, uh, during a cyclone where we had 25 women who were, um, in. A small lean two house and they refused to go to the local emergency center during a cyclone.
That was a, a five, you know, that's, that's the top, um, kind of category that we have. And that's because they were feeling like if they went into that one, they wouldn't be safe from the homophobia and transphobia, but two, that they felt stigmatized and people, you know, um, have a certain reaction. So if, if you were.
That just shows you in all kinds of ways that there are many, many, the socioeconomic, ecological, and climate part of your life is all linked, and so you can't silo it. You can't just, you know, you. You have to be able to work on the issues of body. At the same time as you're working on the issues of power and control over money and resources, you have to be working on.
The issues around, um, you know, collectivities and institutions and you have to be working on [00:24:00] ecology. So that's why we are, are really kind of insisting on an interlinkage um, perspective, which is, you know, um, we find that, you know, we can't silo anything. We've gotta be able to look at it from many, many different, and, and the other good thing about an interlinked pers perspective is, If, if you are interested in issues of the body or section reproductive health and rights, or you know, rights to abortion, or you can always find your way into any topic, um, if it is a topic of justice, you know, if you use an interlinkage approach and you place it in the center, the issue, whether it's climate change, whether it's poverty, whether it's, um, section reproductive health and rights, whether it's, whatever it is, you can always.
Find a way into the discussion and we, we use that a lot because people are interested in different sides of things. They've had different experiences in their lives. So, um, we don't really do kind of the cookie cutter approach. Uh, we try to find what are the interests of people and. [00:25:00] And what is it that they're interested in finding, you know, in finding out about their own lives, about their own rights.
And then we have lots of, um, social movements where they can then go in and, you know, find their place and, and groups that they can. Be in solidarity with and, and work through over time. So there are some of the young people who are only interested in doing the work around sexual rights and that's what they concentrate on.
And for instance, we just have a booklet coming out in December where 30 young people who work on um, who are I. L B T Q, um, activists on S R H R, they've written their own stories and they're gonna share them with other young people cuz they thought that was the best way for them to do their work. So that's another, you know, kind of concrete example.
What has been the most awakening and yeah, awakening experience of being part of a leadership team. Um, and also, you know, holding up the thought for so many people. [00:26:00] For me, one is taking the time, you know, for two and a half years I think it was, I dunno if two and a half or three, we really did no external work.
When we started, we worked on ourselves and we had, you know, a lot of time to build our kind of collective political. Sense of who we were as a collective. And I think that's really served us well in Diva because it meant that, I mean, and especially for me in terms of, you know, I. Being able to follow constituency and being sure of, of where our feet were being placed.
You know, I, I think that that's one thing is that we, we stayed inward and we didn't try to move too fast. That's the first thing. Then the second thing I would say that we did well is that we really have tried to stay. From the [00:27:00] inside out working outward. So we try to build ourselves rather than just bringing in, you know, consultants or, you know how sometimes groups work too quickly and they take in too much externally.
Um, and it becomes kind of a mishmash of all kinds of approaches and no one's really sure, you know, that. That they're there for the long haul or how they're working. So that's another thing is that we, we really have built a strong, um, team and then, and then that meant that we were building the hubs, like the idea that we could have these self organizing sets of work around the country, that we could all be connected to that, that very early we started to work on the.
The concepts around solidarity and, you know, soar work and, and, um, accompaniment and really trying very hard to do mutual aid work. So that's developed over [00:28:00] years and years. And the women defend the Commons network, for instance, and the diva. L G B T Q I hubs are based on those, um, on those ideas, but also then have turned themselves into processes and action.
So that's another thing. And then I would say also this i, this, this, this willingness of us. To look at the intellectual work of feminism, we really allowed ourselves to kind of ask ourselves the questions so that when we are speaking about it, it's kind of in the DNA of the organization. If we talk to each other, you know, there is a shorthand that we can speak within the movements because we're able to build that work over time.
So, for instance, we have 12 concepts that are, that we've translated into visual. And it's things like, if you're going to use the word intersectionality, actually, what does that mean? And what is its [00:29:00] history? Where does it come from? Right? Where has it been used in the movements? And then when you are using it, how does it look when we use it in a local context and in Fiji?
What does intersectionality, you know, mean to us? Is there a, is there a visual way that we can show that? Um, and then how do we talk about that in vernacular? How do you do that in all of the different languages? So, so all those things, you know, and we have these wonderful sessions where women are throwing around these terms, trying to work out what it might be.
Cause you know, one, one word in one language might be 12 in another, you know, so, so there, it, it also becomes a way to work through those issues of power in language, semiotics and all those things. So, so that's another lesson learned. And then the last one I'd probably say is this issue of. And, and it was sparked by something you said in that last comment you made, which is self-care is also, and there's a lot more work with that's finally coming about.
Thank goodness. It's not just [00:30:00] about personal self-care, it's about community self-care, and it's about you cannot have self-care when the system is working against you, so, Part of the, the self-care is about the work on systems change. And we think, and work about that quite a lot in our networks is where is the justice within the work we do?
So if we are doing the work on poverty, what is it about women's lives? That means that, for instance, we are doing three to five times the daily work of men. Why is that allowed? How did that come about? You know, what are the patriarchal influencers that have made that the case? I mean, and then when you take that to the international standards, 76% of unpaid care, domestic, um, and communal work is done by women.
And yet when you look at my society and, and those around the Pacific, that's not reflected in what we see in the national legislature. Van just got its first woman delegate, um, in, uh, sorry, [00:31:00] into the parliament, the first MP in 14 years. So one of the things that we are very, very clear about in our politics and that we've learned over this, you know, this whole period of time is be clear on where.
Where the state is claiming that it's democratic, but that it doesn't have representation of women, you know, and be clear on when, if there's 50% unmet needs, contraceptive needs of women in, in the country, that means something deeper is going on. That means that women aren't being able to negotiate on their sexuality.
Why is that? How is that related to bodily autonomy? How is that related to issues of medical care in the state? You know, so it allows us, anywhere we look at power negotiation and gendered power manifestations, the way that it shows through society, it allows us then to go, Hmm, okay, we see this in our network, in our movement in this way.
Alright, well let's go talk to the government about this. And, and, and so it becomes a much more nuanced [00:32:00] set of discussions and, and, and we can move from there. So I would say that's the biggest joyous learning, um, is that, The material is really the structural. If we're gonna make those changes to the big things like neoliberal economics to the big things like patriarchy, to the big things like racism and white supremacy, those things are also encoded in the small ways, in the ways that we move in our bodies.
Eh, so, so I, I, I like to think that we're making some progress in at least. Looking at those issues. Thank you so much, Nadine. This has been such an amazing session with you and just to learn more about your work. Is there anything else that maybe if anyone wants to get in touch with you or wants to get in touch with your work or even support your work, is there any way that they can Yeah.
Get in contact? Yes, please. Um, come to our website. We finally got a good website, so we're very pleased this year. It's called diva fiji.org. So please come and have a look around the website and, and there are contacts in there so you can easily get, get hold of us. We're [00:33:00] trying to share as many of our resources as we can with everyone who's interested.
So please come there. And can I just say we we're going into the COP 27, which is the biggest climate change conference around the world. We have a Pacific campaign called hashtag Cop 27 Pacific. Please come and get involved in. You know, even just retweet and amplify some of our things. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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